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Report: Four-team Howard deal close… unless it is not


The Dwight Howard Tilt-A-Whirl started spinning again today and we all just want to get off.

According to ESPN’s Chris Broussard a complex four-team deal to ship Dwight Howard to the Lakers is “close.”

A four-team trade that would send Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers is “very close” to happening and could be agreed upon Friday, league sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Chris Broussard.

The teams involved include Lakers, Magic, Nuggets and 76ers. There are a lot of scenarios flying around out there, but the primary framework of the deal has Howard and Al Harrington going to the Lakers; Pau Gasol and Arron Afflalo end up in Orlando; Andre Iguodala lands with the Nuggets; and Andrew Bynum becomes a member of the 76ers.

Except that ESPN’s Ric Bucher is reporting that Pau Gasol is not part of the deal being discussed. Which is to say there are a lot of scenarios being discussed, and that’s not a sign that things are imminent.

There are plenty of other signs that this deal is not that close. Among those are reports that as of a few hours a go the agents for Bynum and Horford had not been contacted. In the case of Bynum, who would be an unrestricted free agent after next season, you can bet there will be some feeling out to see if he would sign on to stay past the end of his deal in whatever city he was shipped to.

Still, things seem to be discussions and things moving forward a little.

Of course, we’ve been here before — remember that three-team deal with the Cavaliers and Lakers that was close? Exactly.

Another reason to take these reports with a grain of salt — the Magic are not feeling pressured to make a deal just to get it done. Here is what Magic CEO Alex Martins told Sam Amick of Sports Illustrated on Tuesday. You tell me if he sounds like a guy who is impatient.

“We have very specific goals as to what we would hope to achieve if we were to trade Dwight, OK?” said Martins…. “We acknowledge and are realistic about the fact that you’re never going to get equal value in return for Dwight Howard. But if we were to trade him, we have three primary goals that we’re trying to achieve and in the end, any deal that’s proposed to us I think we’ve been very clear about the fact about the goals of what we’re trying to achieve.

“We have never delineated from that. Some may think that we have, but we have not. Clearly, when we find the right combination of pieces that we’re looking for in return, that will determine whether we make a deal or not.”

Does this deal really sound like they are getting everything they want? Pau Gasol (who would be flipped in another trade probably near the deadline) and Arron Afflalo, plus some picks and parts?

We can have a discussion of whether or not they can really reach all their goals — teams are not making huge offers now and James Dolan isn’t coming in to boost the offer at the last minute. You can argue that the deals are not going to get better for Orlando. Sure, they would love young players and picks and to get rid of Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu, but asking for all of it may be too much.

There is a real deadline out there, but it is not until the trade deadline in February. It’s not that soon.

Orlando’s management really care how sick of the Tilt-A-Whirl you are, they are going to keep the ride going until they get what they want and choose to get off. On their terms.

That may or may not happen in the next few days.

Report: Four-team trade involving Howard to Lakers, Iguodala trade being discussed

Orlando Magic's Dwight Howard gestures during the first half of their NBA basketball game against the Boston Celtics in Boston

UPDATE 4:10 pm: Here’s a bit of an update on this complex blockbuster four-team Dwight Howard trade that illustrates how complex and potentially unlikely it is. From Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo:

Orlando’s Jason Richardson has been significant name in 4-way talks too, sources tell Y! There’s a scenario where he goes with Howard to LA.

The Lakers would save about $10 million in a trade that would send out Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol and brings back Howard and Al Harrington, and that seems a reason the Lakers would do it. They are way over the tax line the next couple years and want to lower payroll. But it also gives them room to bring back someone like Richardson, who will make about $5.7 million next year but has three years left on his deal. That would dramatically cut the Lakers savings, give them a contract that goes three years out, and the question of if they are better on the court is still up in the air.

And that’s just one team’s concerns and issues in a four-team deal. These are very, very hard trades to pull together.

1:16 pm: While things publically have been blissfully quiet on the Dwight Howard front for the past couple of weeks, the Lakers and Magic have not given up efforts to find a deal that works for everyone to send Howard to the Lakers.

And to do that, things seem to have gotten more complex (maybe too much so) but are now picking up some steam, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports and the NBC Sports Network.

There are multiple moving parts in the fluid talks, but the framework of a possible deal includes Howard and Denver forward Al Harrington going to the Lakers, Philadelphia guard Andre Iguodala going to the Nuggets, Los Angeles center Andrew Bynum moving to the 76ers, and Los Angeles forward Pau Gasol and Denver guard Arron Affalo going to the Magic, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Magic would have a better chance of moving Gasol in another deal to get further assets, sources said, and eliminate the risk of Bynum leaving them as a free agent in 2013. Nevertheless, there was still a sense that Gasol’s and Bynum’s destinations could be fluid in the talks. Either way, one would go to Orlando and the other to Philadelphia, sources said.

I’m not saying it is impossible, but do not go thinking this deal is done — that is a whole lot of moving parts and a whole lot of questions.

First, you almost never see four-team trades (in any sport) because they are insanely complex and hard to pull off, both in terms of the cap and making a deal everyone likes. So that’s a strike.

Next, the Lakers have said they don’t want to give up both Gasol and Bynum in a deal, but that was before the Steve Nash trade. Is a Nash/Howard pick-and-roll with Kobe on the wing enough to contend in the West? Would the Lakers really give up both guys? Actually, they might to save money (Howard and Harrington as a combo save them about $10 million next season).

The next issue, both Philadelphia and Denver (and the Lakers) are teams over the salary cap, so nobody can just absorb more salary, and Orlando wants to unload the contracts of Hedo Turkoglu and/or Jason Richardson. Denver has a $13 million trade exception but they are not looking to take on more salary as an organization and wouldn’t do something to help the Lakers unless they got a lot of help in return. Olympian Iguodala might be enough. Might. I could see Philly being willing to move Iggy to get Gasol or Bynum, but how many picks and what else are they going to be asked to surrender?

Which is to say, right now there are more questions than answers.

But it’s out there. And it seems to have some substance.

Report: Lakers willing to offer Bynum, World Peace for Howard, if he will stay in L.A.

Orlando Magic v Los Angeles Lakers

Dwight Howard still has some leverage over in where he gets traded.

Not because the Magic give a rat’s a** what he wants, if they could trade him to a team from Siberia in the Russian league they would do it. Rather it’s because he can walk away as a free agent next summer from wherever he gets traded if he wants.

There are teams that might make a good offer for Howard if he would agree to sign an extension. Like, say, the Lakers. Check out this tweet from Jarrod Rudolph, who writes for Real GM and is well connected in Orlando.

Source: Lakers are prepared to offer the Andrew Bynum and Metta World Peace to the Magic for Dwight Howard provided Howard signs extension… I’m told the Magic will include Jason Richardson in any deal for Dwight Howard.

The second part of that I’m sure is true — they want to ship Richardson or Hedo Turkoglu out with this deal. And while Richardson makes less per year he has a longer deal and is due more money in total.

But the extension… that’s not going to happen. Not exactly. First off, even if Howard decided he wanted to re-sign with the Lakers he would become a free agent then re-sign under Bird rights because he would get more money and more years. (It’s what Chris Paul is doing, he can sign an extension now for three years and $60 million or become a free agent after next season and re-sign with the Clippers for five years $105 million. Easy call.)

Howard has been dead-set against coming to the Lakers through the process. Reportedly it starts with Howard not wanting to follow in Shaquille O’Neal’s footsteps from Orlando to Los Angeles. But multiple reports also say Howard was turned off by a phone conversation with Kobe Bryant last year where Kobe allegedly said Howard would be the third offensive option on the Lakers (behind Kobe and Pau Gasol). He essentially said he would be the Lakers Tyson Chandler, or that’s how it was perceived. Howard wants to be the star where he goes.

So don’t bet on the Lakers winning this battle.

But the sweepstakes is on for Howard, and he still has a little control over the process.

Report: Magic, Nets in talks to send Dwight Howard to Brooklyn

Dwight Howard

Twenty-four hours ago it looked like the Nets were moving on from Dwight Howard, but things change fast in free agency. I say change fast because a version of this deal wasn’t good enough for Orlando at last year’s trade deadline and even recently we heard the sides were far apart, but suddenly everything has changed?

Maybe. Chris Broussard of ESPN tweets that they are.

Sources: The Nets & Magic are discussing a trade that would send Dwight Howard to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks… and the Nets’ first-round picks in 2013, 2015 and 2017….move would give Nets Big 3 of D-Will, Dwight & Joe Johnson

Would, could, but it’s not that simple.

Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated reports that the Magic want (and the Nets are good with) Hedo Turkoglu and the two years, $23 million left on his contract to be part of the trade. Which I would insist on if I were the Magic because if I’m Orlando and I’m rebuilding I don’t want that anchor of a deal on the books. But adding that contract into the mix complicates the deal immensely.

Already this is a far from simple deal. Both Humphries and Brooks are free agents who would have to agree to a sign-and-trades to the Magic, for example. You may… actually, you will have to overpay both of them to get them to go to Orlando.

To make the deal work a third team has to come in and take on Humphries in a sign-and-trade to keep him off the Magic’s books, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports and the NBC Sports Network. This could actually end up being a complex series of sign-and-trade deals with a lot of moving parts. It is not straight forward. A lot of things could blow it up.

And there are multiple reports this is not the only deal the Magic are currently working on involving Howard — CBSSports.com’s Ken Berger calls it a full court press with the Magic talking to the Lakers, Hawks, Mavericks, Rockets and pretty much anyone else interested. How serious those other talks are is unclear.

What is clear is that this may not happen quickly (certainly not as quickly as Howard and Nets fans hope). No deal could be consummated until July 11, so the Magic are not under any pressure to agree to terms right now.

If  if it works, Nets GM Billy King will have pulled off a trade for the ages. The Nets would have D-Will at the point, Joe Johnson at the two, Gerald Wallace at the three and Howard in the paint. A few days ago that would have seemed impossible. And it’s going to cost Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov a lot of money — just that starting four plus Turkoglu would have the Nets $9 million into the luxury tax without anyone else on the roster. Of course, he can afford it. And he would certainly have a team that could open the new Barclays Center.

Howard saying he would only re-sign in Brooklyn certainly helped the two sides come come together and talk — teams like the Lakers and Clippers reportedly have interest in Howard but only if he agreed to stay with them. The number of trading partners the Magic had has fallen off and they don’t want him back when training camp opens.

So Howard may get his way, he may land in the New York marketplace, in a brand new building on a very competitive team.

Maybe. Things change fast in free agency.

Joe Johnson trade to Nets nearly complete, Brooklyn out of Dwight Howard chase

Chicago Bulls v Atlanta Hawks - Game Six

The Nets seem to be thinking about having an interesting team to open the Barclay’s Center in Brooklyn with next season, the years beyond that be damned.

And Dwight Howard be damned. He has said Brooklyn is the place he wants to be but when this trade for Joe Johnson goes through they would be out of the running to trade for Howard or get him as a free agent next summer. That scream you just heard was not Howard injuring his back again, it was him realizing his plans have blown up and left him looking the fool. With few options.

Multiple reports have a long-rumored Joe Johnson to the Nets trade about to happen. David Aldridge of TNT broke the story and Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports and NBC Sports Network confirmed it. The deal is set in principle but cannot be completed until July 11, when league moratorium ends.

Despite earlier reports this deal is going forward regardless of whether or not Deron Williams decides to commit to Brooklyn or not.

The deal would send Johnson — an All-Star but with maybe the worst contract in the NBA — from the Atlanta to the Nets for Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow, DeShawn Stevenson, Jordan Williams, Johan Petro, plus the Rockets lottery protected first round pick for next draft.

The Nets just inked Gerald Wallace to a four-year, $40 million deal. If Deron Williams signs and the Nets retain Brook Lopez (a restricted free agent), that makes an interesting team in Brooklyn. They will put points on the board, be pretty good, depending on how the fill out the rest of the roster, but they have gone from having $38 million in cap space to $9 million. The team gets maybe 50 wins, a three to six seed in the East, catch a break and they can get to the second round of the playoffs.

But that’s it. They will not be better than the Heat or Bulls. They are not contenders. We can debate where they would rank among the Pacers, Celtics and Knicks, but the fact is they are a second tier team in the East that would take on Johnson’s anchor of a contract — four years and $89 million left for a player who is good now but no longer on the front end of his career.

And with all that money they took on Brooklyn is fully out of the Dwight Howard sweepstakes. They don’t have a trade that the Magic want to make now, and the Magic aren’t taking on Joe Johnson’s deal (the Nets can’t just instantly flipped him anyway). They don’t have the money to sign him next summer. Which leaves Howard screwed — he has a public relations disaster on his hands and can’t land where he wants. His list will open up to more teams fast and could include Dallas, the Lakers and… Atlanta? For Al Horford? We shall see.

Why did the Nets do it? They had to have something they could count on heading into Brooklyn, they could not open the building with a rebuilding team. They are now a playoff team. They had to take that over the risk of Howard because of the move into a new market.

For the Hawks — new GM Danny Ferry has the orders to clean house and change the fortunes of this team. He is tearing it down to rebuild and that is the right thing to do. Plus he still has Al Horford and Jeff Teague, and they can keep or shop Josh Smith to see what the market will offer up. Well done.