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Turkish team has special sponsor to pay for Williams


This is the second time in two years that Besiktas — a team that finished sixth in a Turkish league that is not considered one of the top divisions in Europe — landed and paid for a big time NBA star.

Last year it was Allen Iverson, a future Hall of Fame player but a guy well past his prime now. This time it is Deron Williams, one of the best point guards in the game at the peak of his career.

How are they paying for all this? Williams is going to be paid between $200,000 a month and $5 million for the season (reports are varied, to say the least). Either way that is a lot more than a team like this should be able to take on — especially a team that had to deal with a brief players’ strike last season when payroll was not met (except for Iverson).

According to Besiktas’ coach Ergin Ataman, they have a way, which he explained when he spoke with Sam Amick of Sports Illustrated.

Of course during the years with some agents, there was some problem about some situations, but in Besiktas club, also in football (soccer), we have a good team. We have Guti (Jose Maria Gutierrez Hernandez), we have Quaresma (Ricardo Andrade Quaresma Bernardo), we have Fernandes (Manuel Henriques Tavares Fernandes), they are the biggest names in the European soccer market. This is the same president, the same management. It’s not separated from Besiktas football and basketball. We don’t have any problems.

Last year on our team … maybe sometimes there are some [checks] late — maybe one week, 10 days, maybe one month, only one time. But now, everybody can take his money. And in this situation, this is also completely different for Deron Williams because we have a special sponsor — a separate sponsor from the team. This is a different situation. This is not included in the club budget. This is a special situation, and also will be for Kobe and other star players if they come to play for Besiktas.

The coach did not name the company, other than to say it was one of the ones the president of the club has (he apparently has several).

Besiktas is milking this for all the publicity they can. The players union is milking this for all they can. We’ll see in September what it really all amounts to.

Don’t expect a flood of top NBA players to Europe

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There is some logic to why Deron Williams would sign with Besiktas Cola Turka to play next season. For one, it puts some pressure on the NBA owners in the Collective Bargaining talks (although not that much). Williams is coming off wrist injuries at the end of last season and this would let him get his playing touch back (for Nets fans, that’s not bad). And he makes a little scratch.

But there are some reasons this doesn’t make sense, especially if you like money. According to Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski Williams will get paid $200,000 per month (plus have his housing covered, a driver, security guard and personal assistant). You are saying not bad, but it is by NBA terms. If he plays a full season over there he could make one-tenth of his NBA salary — and if he gets injured he risks losing all $34 million on his current deal (if injured the Nets can void his contract). Plus he could miss out or reduce the $70 million or more he will make on his next contract.

Would you risk $100 million just to play for a few hundred thousand in Turkey for a couple months? You think his new agent is recommending this?

Lots of places are reporting that agents are skeptical about this Williams deal. CBSSports.com’s Ken Berger has a source that probably said it best.

“The guys I work with in Turkey say there’s no chance this is happening,” the agent said….

“He’s going to risk that to make a few million dollars?” the agent said. “What if he gets hurt?”

Williams may or may not go (he doesn’t have to report until Sept. 1, the first game is Sept. 27, right about when a del needs to be struck to salvage the full NBA season). But money is the reason you are not going to see a river of top-flight NBA guys heading overseas — they have too much money in their deals to risk going overseas.

What’s more, the top-flight European teams are not going to sign a player — even an elite player — for less than a guaranteed full season. Top teams are not going to rent a player, they don’t need to. Lesser teams can’t afford to bring over stars. As the fantasitc Mark Deeks (@ShamSports) points out, Besiktas is an exception — it is a team with deep pockets but one that rarely spends any of that money. It did last season on Allen Iverson, it is willing to do so for D-Will. But teams like FC Barcelona or CSKA Moscow will not just rent NBA players for a season.

Borderline NBA players will still head overseas, it might even be smart for them to ensure a payday. But for stars it makes less sense. And not a lot of people are going to follow Williams.

If he even goes.

D-Will’s new Turkish coach also wants Kobe. Sure, why not?

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And I want to drive a Maserati GranTurismo convertible

Ergin Ataman, the coach of the Turkish team Besiktas in Istanbul that has a deal in principle with Deron Williams in a real coup — one that has to get the clearance of international governing body FIBA still — plus has reached terms with  Zaza Pachulia is now just getting greedy.

The coach whose 19-11 team finished sixth in the Turkish League last year told our man Howard Beck of the New York Times he’d also like to sign Kobe Bryant. Again, back to me and the Maserati, but that’s what he said.

“If there’s a possibility, we’ll talk with Kobe if he’d like to play in Europe with Deron and with other guys to play we can talk with him,” Ataman said. “If Kobe would like to play with us, we will also contact his agent and maybe with him.”

Yea, right. I hear Kobe wants Mickael Pietrus to play with him in Turkey…

Getting D-Will is a great signing by Besiktas, great public relations move even if he never steps on the court for them. And he may not — their first game is Sept. 27 and if there is going to be a full NBA season the lockout needs to be ended and a new NBA labor deal struck right about then.

Besiktas is a team that also missed payroll at a point last season and the players went on strike. Make sure you can make the Williams thing work and stop dreaming about Kobe… he’s doing a barnstorming tour of China anyway.

Deron Williams will play in Turkey if lockout lingers

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UPDATE 10:58 AM: Maybe we were wrong. Apparently Nets star Deron Williams does plan to play in Turkey if the lockout lingers, Marc Stein of ESPN tweeteed:

Sources w/knowledge of Deron Williams’ plans confirm his intent to play for Besiktas in Turkey if lockout continues

Multiple sources now confirm the story. The key part here is “if lockout continues.” As we said in the main article, Williams is under contract to the New Jersey Nets, so the only way he could sign and play for Besiktas is if FIBA gives him a letter of clearance. FIBA has not officially said what they would do about this, hinting that if the season were lost they might grant them. But now it appears they may grant the letter if the contract has an out clause to return to the NBA once the lockout ends.

If FIBA tries to block Williams or any other player from going overseas, the NBA players union is expected to file a lawsuit to clear the way for the move. Obviously, this would be good leverage for the union in negotiations.

If Williams were injured playing in Europe, it could void his NBA deal, the team would not have to pay him. He has two years, $34 million left on his deal with the Nets (although he can opt out after next season and is expected to).

We should make it clear Beşiktaş is not one of the powerhouse, big money teams in Europe. In fact, Beşiktaş players went on strike at one point last season because players were not getting paid (except for Allen Iverson). This is not a team playing in the prestigious EuroLeague (where the best club teams from various nations face off). In fact, a top flight EuroLeague team would likely not take any player in without a full season commitment, end of the lockout or no.

But this appears to be a very real deal.

10:10 am: The latest “NBA player to Europe” report out there is one we simply do not believe. But it is out there.

A Turkish news outlet is reporting that Deron Williams is very close to an agreement to play for Beşiktaş Cola Turka — the same team that hired Allen Iverson last year. The report is he would join the club at the start of their season and will have an out clause to return to the NBA when the lockout ends, according to the report (which we saw thanks to the wonderful Ball in Europe blog). The report also says Zaza Pachulia would join the team.

Another Turkish journalist has the Besiktas coach saying they have talked to Williams.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Beşiktaş made that offer. I would be shocked if Williams signed it.

There remains the pesky little problem of Williams being under contract to the New Jersey Nets. For Williams to play overseas while under contract, FIBA would need to grant him a Letter of Clearance. That body has hinted that if the entire NBA season were cancelled it might grant such a letter to players (under the theory that their contracts are not valid if they are not being paid). But the league would not cancel the season until next January at best.

Also, Williams is potentially a free agent on the cusp of his biggest payday next summer (from the Nets or another team). You think he’ll risk that playing in Europe during the lockout? He’s also rehabbing from wrist injuries that hampered him at the end of last season, again is he likely to risk re-injury to play in Istanbul?

I don’t buy it. But in the interest of news we’re passing it along.

Iverson headed back to U.S. for leg surgery, denies retirement report

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Allen Iverson is coming back to the United States — but not to retire as a Turkish news service had reported earlier.

An MRI has found a very painful lesion on Iverson’s ankle and he is returning from Istanbul, Turkey, where he had been playing to the United States for surgery and medical care, his manager told the Associated Press.

“It has to be removed and tested to see if it’s benign or not,” said Iverson’s manager, Gary Moore. “Once that’s removed, Allen is going to look to rehabilitate his leg because the doctors tell him he’ll be out four to six weeks, he’s hoping to be able to play in the [Turkish league] playoffs.”

There is no date for the surgery other than “soon.”

Clearly, whether or not Iverson can return to play will depend on what the doctors find.

If he retires he would have to forfeit the remainder of his two-year, $4 million salary (amid reports he is broke, something he has strongly denied). This has potential to be much more serious than just about a basketball career, we hope for the best for Iverson and that he is back for the playoffs in Turkey.