Boston Celtics' Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce talk over a play in the fourth quarter against the New York Knicks in Game 5 of their NBA Eastern Conference basketball playoff series in New York

With Rivers deal complete, NBA unlikely to approve a subsequent trade involving Kevin Garnett and the Clippers

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Now that the Celtics and the Clippers have finally reached an agreement that will see Doc Rivers patrolling the sidelines in Los Angeles next season, the questions in Boston now turn to the futures of both Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.

Garnett was originally included as part of the package for Rivers, before commissioner David Stern came out publicly and said that league rules don’t allow trades involving both players and coaches.

But a completely separate deal involving Garnett would be similarly struck down, as well.

From Jackie MacMullan of ESPN Boston:

League and teams sources also confirmed that for now, any deal involving Garnett and the Clippers is on hold in light of commissioner David Stern’s objections to the appearance that the KG deal (for DeAndre Jordan) and Rivers were related.

One source with knowledge of the NBA’s thinking told ESPN.com that the league does not intend to change its stance as expressed by Stern in multiple radio interviews Thursday, meaning that the league would view any subsequent trade agreement between the Celtics and Clippers involving Garnett to be part of the Rivers deal and thus in violation of league rules.

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com also reports that the Rivers deal comes with the understanding that no subsequent deals will be made between the two teams.

Rivers escapes the rebuild in Boston, but Garnett and Pierce won’t be following him to the Clippers. Does that mean they’ll be back with the Celtics next season?

It’s extremely murky at this point.

Garnett has a no-trade clause, and is on the books for two more years at over $11.5 million next season and $12 million in the one that follows. It’s always possible he could choose retirement over playing for a new head coach with a depleted roster, or he could try to force the team to deal him to a more desirable destination.

As for Pierce, he has one year remaining on his contract at over $15 million, but it’s not fully guaranteed. The Celtics can buy him out for $5 million before June 30, shedding his salary from the books in the process.

Of course, another plausible scenario in Boston would involve GM Danny Ainge bringing everyone back for yet another “one more run” at a title, albeit with a new head coach. With Rajon Rondo returning from a torn ACL injury, the Celtics would once again be considered a dangerous and intriguing team in the East.

But by jettisoning Rivers, you have to believe that the brass in Boston feels it’s time to enter a rebuilding phase sooner rather than later. And if that’s the case, then it’s hard to envision Garnett and Pierce returning  to play for the Celtics next season.

Report: Kevin Durant less likely to sign with Knicks after they fired Derek Fisher

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The Knicks reportedly believed hiring Derek Fisher made them a contender for Kevin Durant this summer.

If they were right, firing Fisher – a respected former teammate of Durant with the Thunder – certainly didn’t help New York’s ability to lure the superstar in free agency.

Ian Begley of ESPN:

New York faces long odds to land Durant to begin with. And their chances took a hit after Derek Fisher was fired, league sources say.

I suppose it was possible Durant would’ve picked the Knicks, because I don’t believe Durant has decided where he’ll sign. But their odds looked so slim, anyway.

If the Knicks believed Fisher wasn’t the best coach for them, they were right to move on. Keeping him for Durant would have been foolish.

Is there a way New York can gain credibility with Durant? What about hiring former Oklahoma City Thunder coach Scott Brooks?

Begley:

Brooks is a name to think about, for one reason: The Knicks have been informed that their chances of landing Kevin Durant this summer would be influenced by hiring Brooks, according to league sources.

Begley implies Brooks would help New York sign Durant, but his words don’t explicitly say that.

“Would be influenced.” Positively? Negatively? Won’t the coach of any team Durant considers influence his decision? Durant, while thanking Brooks, quickly and fully got on board with the Thunder’s decision to fire him.

And informed by whom? Do we trust the Knicks to properly assess whether the source of that information is credible?

It’s probably not worth exploring those questions, anyway. Brooks has neither Phil Jackson nor triangle ties, which seem to be perquisites.

At least New York can still use Carmelo Anthony to recruit Durant.

Report: Cavaliers tried trading entire team but LeBron James for Kobe Bryant in 2007

LOS ANGELES - JANUARY 12:  LeBron James #23 of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Kobe Bryant #8 of the Los Angeles Lakers wait for the ball to go into play on January 12, 2006 at Staples Center in Los Angeles, California.  NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and/or using this Photograph, user is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement.  (Photo by Lisa Blumenfeld/Getty Images)
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Kobe Bryant requested a trade from the Lakers in 2007, and he later said he preferred to be dealt to the Bulls.

Though Kobe had a no-trade clause, the Lakers explored other options.

They talked with the Mavericks and even agreed to terms with the Pistons, but Kobe vetoed Detroit. The Lakers also spoke with the Cavaliers.

Brian Windhorst of ESPN:

According to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the event, the Lakers once contacted the Cavs to investigate whether Cleveland would make James available in a possible Bryant trade.

The Cavs said that James, indeed, was untouchable, sources said. Then they attempted to make the Lakers a different offer for Bryant, offering anyone else on their team in a package for him. The Lakers had no interest.

For Bryant, who had a no-trade clause in his contract, the answer was simple.

“I never would’ve approved it. Never. The trade to go to Cleveland? Never,” Bryant told Holmes.

This is just as the LeBron-Kobe arguments were kicking into gear. Regardless of which player was better at the time, LeBron – six years younger – was definitely more valuable than Kobe.

So, it’s unsurprising the Lakers asked and even less surprising the Cavaliers said no.

And even less surprising than that was the Lakers rejecting Cleveland’s counter offer. Here were the other Cavaliers during the 2006-07 season:

  • Larry Hughes
  • Zydrunas Ilgauskas
  • Drew Gooden
  • Sasha Pavlovic
  • Donyell Marshall
  • Anderson Varejao
  • Damon Jones
  • Daniel Gibson
  • Eric Snow
  • Shannon Brown
  • Ira Newble
  • David Wesley
  • Scot Pollard
  • Dwayne Jones

That scrap heap doesn’t come close to Kobe.

The what-if of a LeBron-for-Kobe or Kobe-for-other-Cavs swap is intriguing, but both ideas were non-starters for at least one side. None of that came close to happening.

But, nine years later, that barely makes the discussion less fun.

Phil Jackson tweets manifesto on Knicks coaching

New York Knicks president Phil Jackson speaks to reporters during a news conference in Greenburgh, N.Y., Monday, Feb. 8, 2016. Derek Fisher was fired as New York Knicks coach Monday, with his team having lost five straight and nine of 10 to fall well back in the Eastern Conference playoff race. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)
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The Knicks fired Derek Fisher, and Phil Jackson explained the move in a press conference.

Then, the Knicks president tweeted a few more thoughts:

Jackson might be more intelligent and philosophical than you.

More than that, Jackson really wants you to believe he’s more intelligent and philosophical than you.

Two Kings dispute shootaround reports, including Rajon Rondo’s

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In the midst of the Kings’ George Karl mess, Rajon Rondo complained about shootarounds – seemingly taking issue with Karl and/or his teammates:

Jake Fischer of Sports Illustrated reported Rondo, Omri Casspi and Seth Curry were the only players at Monday’s shootaround:

The Kings played the night before in Boston and were in their fourth city (Cleveland) in six nights. It’d be reasonable – maybe even wise – to value extra sleep over an optional shootaround.

To Rondo’s point, perhaps Karl shouldn’t have called one at all. If so much of the team plans to skip it, is it worth bringing in anyone? Is that productive for the players who attend?

What happened after the shootaround certainly wasn’t.

Quincy Acy disputed Fischer’s report:

Then, Caron Butler took issue with Rondo’s account:

I don’t know precisely which Kings attended the shootaround, but someone fed Fischer a list of names for whatever reason. The agendas and leaks coming from the Kings are debilitating.

And for Butler to publicly disagree with a teammate like that is startling. Unless he’s saying Rondo was misquoted, which seems unlikely, considering Steve Herrick of the Associated Press also quoted Rondo saying three or four players attended shootaround (hat tip: Kevin Draper of Deadspin).

The tamest explanation is that Rondo used “three or four” as a euphemism for “not enough,” and the real number could’ve been closer to five. So, maybe Acy and Butler also attended but participation was down.

But that wouldn’t necessarily mean teammates appreciate Rondo – who declared himself the first veteran teammate DeMarcus Cousins ever respected – saying “three or four.” That could leave a couple of them under the bus.

And there’s still the issue of Karl using shootarounds productively – and Rondo maybe calling him out publicly for it.

Really, this speaks to where the Kings stand. They can’t even conduct a shootaround without controversy.

If you’re a Comcast subscriber in Northern California, you can stream tonight’s Kings-76ers game here.