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NBA continues ridiculous “two steps up, one step back” dance


We’ve given each other some hard lessons lately
But we ain’t learnin’
We’re the same sad story that’s a fact
One step up and two steps back
                                                            — Bruce Springsteen

This whole thing is ridiculous.

The NBA labor talks broke off again in a huff on Friday, with both sides refusing to take the final steps needed to close a deal. What that means is that more NBA games will officially be cancelled, games likely at least through the end of November.

The union wanted the owners to give more on the system issues — specifically exceptions allowed for teams paying the luxury tax — and without getting that would not move enough on basketball related income (BRI) to make the owners happy. The players remain at wanting 52.5 percent of the BRI, the owners call for a 50/50 split (although the owners take a lump off the top in expenses.

These tweets from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo sum it all up:

Privately, owners saying union left impression they would accept 50-50 if system issues were resolved, and that’s why NBA returned to talks.

Union won’t accept 50-50 split with many changes of luxury tax/exception system. Players thought NBA would concede a little, get deal. Nope.

They’re not even on the same page. Ridiculous.

Stern said in his post-talk press conference that future offers from the owners would reflect the losses the owners are feeling from no revenue coming in — meaning the owners will offer less, not more in the future. Great.

This is less and less about the money, and more and more about principle on the two sides. And that is bad for fans. As Tim Donahue of Eight Points, Nine Seconds (one of the better lockout bloggers) has said: People will fight for money but they will die for principle. The players feel the deal is unfair, the owners feel the players don’t understand their plight and the owners need a more resounding victory to be profitable. Plus, the owners have all the leverage.

Here’s what I mean about it being less and less about the money, it’s a tweet from Darren Rovell, CNBC’s sports  business reporter.

For the NBA players who follow me: Missing a month of the seasons costs $400M. Going from 52% to 51% on 7 year deal costs $280M!

Donahue tweeted he thinks those numbers are a little off due to projected revenue growth, suggesting a percentage point of BRI is more like $477 million over 10 years. Rather than argue let’s take that number. That means with $400 million in salary out the door we are saying this fight is down to near $77 million, or $7.7 million a year. (That assumes that if the players went to 51 percent the owners would take 49, that may not be the case.)

Are the players willing to miss a month of games over less money than John Salmons made last year? Yes, because they feel they are being wronged. They feel the deal offered is unfair and people will not sign off on a deal they see as unfair even if it hurts them to do so. The owners, on the other hand, have all the leverage and plan on using it. They have won the negotiations, but not by enough to make them happy. While I think the owners deserve the lion’s share of blame in this lockout, everyone has blood on their hands.

So here we are. It’s ridiculous, but here we are.

Don’t be shocked if the two sides start meeting again this weekend or early next week (union president Derek Fisher is reportedly flying back to Los Angeles, not a good sign for those hoping for an immediate resumption of talks).

The pattern throughout these negotiations have been several intense days of talks with incremental gains, things abruptly break off, then in less than a week they are back at it. No reason to think we will not see the same thing again this time.

But this time there is more urgency. Games are being lost and every day games and these games cannot be just put back in the schedule.

Then looming a few weeks away is a deadline to make sure there are games on Christmas Day. That’s an NBA showcase, the first day of national broadcast network games, it’s a day of marque matchups. Miss Christmas and that’s when you really start to lose the average sports fan. Both sides say they want to avoid that, to get a deal done.

Yet here we are. With no new talks scheduled and a stalemate. Ridiculous.

Quote of the Day: Joel Embiid says he learned to shoot by watching ‘just regular white people’ on the internet

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Joel Embiid couldn’t endear himself by playing in an NBA game, because he’s been too injured to do that in two pro seasons.

He’s had to resort to witty nicknames, practice-gym dunks, fun-loving stunts, attention-seeking tweets and self-deprecating humor.

Embiid is scheduled to make his NBA debut tonight, when the 76ers play the Thunder. Soon, we’ll judge him more for what he does on the court.

But, first, Embiid went out with one last bang of a quote.

Embiid, via Lee Jenkins of Sports Illustrated:

“You know how I learned to shoot?” Embiid says. “I watched white people. Just regular white people. They really put their elbow in and finish up top. You can find videos of them online.”

Tyronn Lue says ‘they said’ LeBron James has a body of a 19-year-old, but nobody else knows where Cavaliers coach got that

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LeBron James might be the greatest athlete in NBA history.

But even he has shown signs of decline at age 31.

He has gotten multiple back injections and even took a break during the season to rehabilitate in Miami. The forward has treated the last two regular-seasons as glorified warmups for the playoffs.

Just where does LeBron stand physically?

Cavaliers coach Tyronn Lue gave quite the answer.

Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com:

Lue said James, at 31, “had a chance to get tested this summer and they said he had a body of a 19-year old. Maybe he’s getting younger. Benjamin Button.”

It was a little perplexing because neither James, nor his personal trainer, Mike Mancias, nor general manager David Griffin had any real idea what test Lue was talking about.

This reminds me of Derrick Rose attributing the Knicks and Warriors being super teams to “They’re saying.” Who is they, and what are they smoking?

That LeBron, Mancias and Griffin won’t cop to knowing is quite revealing.

LeBron does not have the body of a 19-year-old. Years of other-worldly play and long playoff runs has taken a toll.

Because he’s declining from such a high peak, LeBron should remain elite for a while. His athleticism might even fluctuate as it trends downward overall.

But Father Time is undefeated, and LeBron didn’t just get a mid-career reset to his rookie physical form.

Draymond Green says technical foul won’t dissuade him from yelling after dunks

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Draymond Green has apologized again and again and again in the last year.

But the Warriors forward has also maintained he must remain true to himself.

So, after getting technical foul for yelling (presumably because it was toward LaMarcus Aldridge) following a dunk in Golden State’s loss to the Spurs last night, Green – under more intense scrutiny than ever – dug in.

Green, via Monte Poole of CSN Bay Area:

“Next time I dunk, I’m gonna yell again,” Draymond declared after the loss. “I mean, it’s kind of universal. I’m gonna continue to be me, and whatever happens, happens.”

Expect Green to keep getting technicals. Even if the one last night was relatively weak, Green nearly constantly toes the line. He had 12 technical fouls last season, and a league-high five in the playoffs (boosted by Golden State advancing all the way to Game 7 of the NBA Finals).

And if the Warriors are winning, that’s fine. His emotional energy does more to lift the team than hinder it.

But, as we’ve seen, there is a definite downside.

Report: Hawks signing Dennis Schroder to four-year, $70 million contract extension

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Update: Marc Stein of ESPN:

That’s an even better deal for the Hawks.


The Hawks traded a former All-Star in his prime (Jeff Teague). They waived two experienced backups (Jarrett Jack and Will Bynum), leaving only rookie Malcolm in Delaney in reserve.

Atlanta is putting all its point guard eggs in Dennis Schroder‘s basket – not just as the starter on a team that expects to make the playoffs, but a long-term building block.

Marc Stein of ESPN:

Paying Schroder $17.5 million per year seems fair, because he could wind up drastically underpaid or drastically overpaid.

Schroder drives into the lane with abandon and usually produces quality outcomes as a result. He possesses impressive tools and is already beginning to utilize them, including in several clutch situations.

But he must make better decisions with the ball, finish better at the rim and shoot better from outside for Atlanta’s bet to pay off. It’s also help if he becomes more than just an occasionally pesky defender.

Just 23, time is on his side.

If Schroder develops into a quality starting point guard, he’ll be a bargain. The Hawks will have done well to lock him up before he proved his ability, and their other moves indicate they believe in him making this step.

But if a larger role just exposes Schroder’s flaws, this could backfire. For all the justifiable reasons to have faith in Schroder’s ascension, it’s important to remember he’s not there yet.

This is a relative high-variance bet by Atlanta, which I like in principle. Teams are generally too conservative with rookie-scale contract extensions.

If Schroder doesn’t break out as they hope, the Hawks will have problems regardless of whether or not they extend him. It’s not as if handling him restricted free agency would be a walk in the park.

Now, if Schroder lives up to the hype in Atlanta, the Hawks’ return on investment will be even greater.