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Little progress made in 16 hours of labor talks. That’s not good.

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We’re past the point where saying “at least they’re still talking” makes me feel very good. Yet that’s the only real takeaway from Tuesday’s marathon NBA labor negotiation session.

NBA owners and players met for 16 hours on Tuesday and the best news anybody had to report — all off the record, as there were gag orders — is that federal mediator George Cohen was able to keep the emotion out of it and put in a few potential building blocks. But there was no real progress on the elephant in the room — how to divide up the money, the split of basketball related income. And while the two sides say they are stuck on “system issues” like the luxury tax, know that the luxury tax is another debate about how to divide up the money.

Not good, not good at all. The only winners appear to be midtown New York hotel owners who get to rent out conference rooms for negotiations. They could still be making money for a while.

It’s good that they two sides will meet again Wednesday, and it’s good that David Stern didn’t walk out of the room and cancel more games. But there was no significant breakthrough in a marathon negotiating session Tuesday (and into Wednesday morning). Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo had a good quote on the issue.

Asked if the sides had closed any gaps between them, a source in the meeting told Y! Sports: “On small stuff. Hard to see where this is going.”

A. Sherrod Blakely of tweeted essentially the same thing, saying the two sides made steps but had a long way to go, according to his sources.

Ken Berger at had this quote:

“Nothing has been agreed to,” said a person who was briefed on the talks. “There was nothing to say.”

Don’t expect as long a session on Wednesday. In part because guys will get exhausted, and in part because the NBA Board of Governors (the official voting body made up of the owners) is also meeting in New York. NBA Commissioner Stern will need to be in two places at once on Wednesday.

So feel good that they are at least talking, it is better than the alternative. But it’s hard to feel positive right now.

Byron Scott doesn’t care about exhausting Lakers in preseason

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The Warriors use wearable technology to track players and have rested them when the data revealed fatigue. Gregg Popovich is holding relatively healthy Spurs out of practice. Heck, Popovich doesn’t even send himself to every preseason games.

Meanwhile, with the Lakers…

Lakers coach Byron Scott, via Baxter Holmes of ESPN:

“I don’t necessarily care about tired legs in preseason,” Scott said. “I think everything that we’ve done thus far will pay off at the end of the day. You’ve got some guys that might have tired legs and [are] a little worn out, but all the running as far as getting into that physical condition that we need to get into, I think in December and January, it will pay off.

“So I’m not necessarily worried about guys having tired legs in preseason. They’ll just have to kind of fight through that fatigue part of it. And I think mentally it gets them a little stronger anyway.”

Mike Bresnahan of the Los Angeles Times:

The Lakers coach has a reputation for demanding a lot of running in the preseason. It’s important in his mind because the Lakers will be better conditioned than other teams down the road.

Players, predictably, aren’t as enthused about it.

Bresnahan quotes just two players, Brandon Bass and D'Angelo Russell, and neither expressed much resistance to Scott’s methods. But I trust Bresnahan to read the team’s pulse.

I also think Scott is right: Fighting through fatigue builds mental toughness. But it also makes players tired, and it’s not the only way to instill toughness. The Warriors are tough. The  Spurs are tough. They didn’t have to run their players into the ground to get that way.

Scott loves to project himself as old-school and anti-analytic. Thankfully for the Lakers, his actual methods aren’t as bad as he conveys. For example, he said the Lakers would take an absurdly low 10-15 3-pointers per game last season. In reality, they hoisted nearly 19 per game, 25th in the league. That might not have been enough for that roster, but at least it wasn’t leaps and bounds below the norm.

So, I’m not convinced Scott is pushing the Lakers as hard as he wants everyone to believe. But he’s  clearly giving them a bigger workload than many teams.

If the Lakers are playing relevant games late in the season, this could come back to bite them. On the bright side, they probably won’t have to worry about that problem.

Tony Parker wants to play six more seasons with Spurs

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Tony Parker revealed a plan nearly two years ago to play until he’s 38.

Coming off his worst season since his rookie year, the Spurs point guard is sticking to that goal.

Parker, via Marc J. Spears of Yahoo Sports:

“The Spurs know I want to play until I’m 38,” Parker told Yahoo Sports in a recent phone interview. “That will be 20 seasons for me. That’s my goal. This year is No. 15. And if I’m lucky enough and I’m healthy, hopefully I can play 20 seasons and then I’ll be ready to retire.”

That seems pretty ambitious, no matter how you handle the conflicting math. (Parker is 33. If he plays 20 seasons, he’ll spend most of his final season at age 39 and turn 40 during the playoffs.)

Parker is already showing signs of slippage. Many of his key numbers were down last season, including ESPN’s real-plus minus, where he quietly slipped from 12th to 67th among point guards.

But Gregg Popovich is very liberal with resting his players, and Parker won’t have to carry too much of the load. Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili will probably retire before Parker, but the Spurs will still have Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge.

I wouldn’t count on it, but it’s possible Parker lasts that long.