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Players sound pessimistic on chances for deal anytime soon


Thursday in Las Vegas, players union president Derek Fisher and executive director Billy Hunter are going to face some tough questions from their rank and file constituents in a closed meeting — it will be 77 days since the lockout started and the players feel like negotiations are at square one. Basically because they are.

Talking in Las Vegas after some “lockout league” games (the Impact Competitive Training Series) players sounded like guys ready to except at least some games gone and maybe a full season.

They sounded pessimistic. Take this quote from union vice president Roger Mason, as reported by Ben Golliver at Eye On Basketball.

“I’m an optimistic person at heart but what would make me think that we would have a season? Right now it’s looking like we’re going to miss training camp and some preseason games. Unless some things change, we could lose the season….

“I think there was a false sense of optimism leading into yesterday’s meetings,” Mason said. “That was a little tough because once we went to the meeting (Tuesday) it was really more of the same. The NBA and the owners want to change the system and they also want to make economic changes. We understand the landscape that the world is different so we’re willing to sacrifice and give money back. But a system with a hard cap is something we don’t want to do.”

Suns swingman Jared Dudley spoke to the Salt Lake Tribune and said Mason told him in the latest round of talks the players lowered their offer on the percentage of “Basketball Related Income” they get down to 53 percent. In the last labor deal they got 57 percent, they made an offer of 54.3 percent. That would be hundreds of millions in salary givebacks by the players in the future. But the players will not do that and accept hard cap, which they see as a push toward non-guaranteed contracts. (Which could have unintended consequences for the league.) The owners are staying strong on wanting a hard cap.

What the players want to hear from Hunter and Fisher on Thursday is a plan of action.

I expect Billy [Hunter] to be open, talking to us about what we’re going to do from here on. Because obviously the owners and David Stern have made their standpoint, so we have to make ours. I don’t know what we’re going to do.

Dudley said union decertification — actually breaking up the union to allow players to sue the league on anti-trust grounds, which is what the NFL players union did at the start of their lockout — is still on the table. You can bet it comes up in Thursday’s meetings as some prominent agents are pushing for it. The league has already tried to stop that by a pre-emptive lawsuit asking for a ruling that the lockout is legal.

Hunter has said he wants to hold off on decertification, but the players are getting antsy and with agents pushing it well could happen.

None of this is good news. Things are going to get worse before they get better.

Pizza and soccer on agenda for Celtics on trip to Italy

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MILAN (AP) — After a couple of days in Milan, Isaiah Thomas‘ Italian experience is still lacking a certain something.

“I’m waiting on some pizza,” said a laughing Thomas, who used to do commercials for a regional pizza franchise when he played for the Sacramento Kings. “The place we went to last night didn’t have no pizza so hopefully tonight we go somewhere I can order some pizza for real.”

This trip isn’t just about culinary experiences, though. The Celtics are in Milan to play an exhibition game against Olimpia Milano on Tuesday before traveling to Spain to play Real Madrid as part of the NBA Global Games.

Ahead of the team’s practice session on Sunday, Thomas was also looking forward to his first soccer match, as the Celtics headed to San Siro later for AC Milan’s home match against Napoli in the Italian league – after an afternoon trip to nearby Lake Como.

“That’s going to be fun,” Thomas told The Associated Press at the Celtics’ first practice in Italy. “I’m excited about that. I’ve never been to a soccer match, to have my first soccer match be in Italy is going to be nice.”

Teammate Marcus Smart said the trip was also an important bonding experience for a young roster with plenty of new pieces. They went for a players-only meal in Milan on Saturday night.

“We had a good time with each other,” Smart said. “No phones, so everyone was talking to one other. It was good overall fun.

“We understand the severity of this trip, it is a business trip but at the same time not many people get this chance to travel like we do so we understand its business but we’re here to have fun at the same time.”

Coach Brad Stevens has overseen plenty of rebuilding since taking over the Celtics in 2013 but still led the team to the playoffs last season after trading point guard Rajon Rondo – the only remaining player from the 2008 championship team. After being swept by the Cleveland Cavaliers, the team is aiming higher this season. For Stevens, it all starts here in Italy.

“These sessions are really important to get something accomplished in practice and to make sure that we’re continuing to progress,” Stevens said. “It’s still very much a part of our training camp, and so you’ve got all of the great things about being a tourist – getting a chance to see new things and experience new things – and at the same time we’re 24 or 25 days away from our season opener.”

And after spending so many hours in the gym during the offseason, Thomas is ready to start playing actual games again – even if its just preseason.

“We’re ready to beat up on somebody else, we’re tired of beating up on each other,” Smith said.

Kings’ Karl admits mistakes in DeMarcus Cousins trade controversey

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In the NBA, elite players have the leverage. It is just simple supply and demand.

DeMarcus Cousins is an elite player — and a favorite of owner Vivek Ranadive. He is not going anywhere.

Which made this summer’s “George Karl wants trade Cousins” a battle the coach couldn’t ultimately win — the owner wasn’t going to sign off on it, and the fans are going to side with Boogie. Remember Karl said he never had a player that was untradable, and that spiraled into reports Karl probed trade options with other teams, much to the frustration of management and Cousins himself.

Karl owned up to some of his mistakes in an interview on Comcast Bay Area, as reported by James Ham at

“To be honest with you, I apologized to DeMarcus for making the trade comment that I’ve never coached a player that’s untradeable,” Karl told Christensen. “That was wrong for me to say, because you all (the media) took it and blew it up into crazy.”

“But it’s my responsibility to be smart enough to not say things like that,” Karl continued. “So I did apologize because I thought that was the only thing, maybe some other things, but really the only thing that got us separated was that comment that then everybody wrote the we’re going to trade [Cousins].”

The relationship between Cousins and Karl — not to mention Rajon Rondo and other veterans — is the biggest key to the Kings’ season. Karl and Cousins say their relationship is solid now, but what happens when that is put under stress at some point during the season?

In talking to people around the team, the Kings players seemed to have formed a tight bond — even if part of the glue of that bond is a distrust of Karl that can work for them. This is a team that has the talent to compete for the bottom couple playoff seeds in the Western Conference, but everybody needs to be pulling on the rope in the same direction. We will see pretty quickly if the Kings can do that.