“Disappointing” negotiations lead to talk of half NBA season missed

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Any optimism you had after last week’s NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement talks can be put on the pile of now outdated, useless junk with your Commodore 64 and cassette tape Walkman.

Tuesday’s meeting of expanded negotiating teams in New York ended with everyone calling it “disappointing” and saying a deal is nowhere near close. Here are some quotes from Union honchos to depress you.

“I think coming out of today, obviously because of the calendar, we can’t come out of here feeling as though training camps and the season is going to start on time at this point,” players’ association president Derek Fisher of the Lakers said.

“We’ve advised (the players) they may have to sit out half the season before we get a deal.”

No future meetings have been scheduled.

And NBA fans settled their brains for a long winter’s nap.

David Stern admitted that this was a rough day of negotiations, but said at the core of everything the players resistance to a hard cap is the stumbling block. For the record, he sounded more conciliatory than the players, but as this is David Stern take it with a grain of salt.

Stern said that while the owners are not in complete agreement on issues, they are unified in wanting a system that gives all 30 teams a chance to compete. We can debate whether a hard cap is really the way to do that, but the owners seem to buy into that concept. Right now there is a great disparity in spending. Last season the Lakers had a payroll of $91 million (well over $100 million with the luxury tax) while the Sacramento Kings were at $44 million — that is not allowing for competitive balance, the owners contend.

Stern called the players resistance to a hard cap “an emotional attachment.”

The players, of course, painted this as them being willing to negotiate and the owners not. The players said they tried to compromise but the owners would not budge off a hard salary cap. Players went into this meeting thinking that after last week’s talks the owners were going to back off their hard salary cap demands. Players were surprised to learn that has not changed.

Hunter tried to spin this on the owners saying there is a “division of interest” among the owners and that of the more than five-hours of negotiations on Tuesday, three of it was spent with the owners arguing amongst themselves. Stern said that time was spent discussing revenue sharing. That said, there clearly is some division among the owners.

Truth be told, if the issue is the hard cap then the two sides have not yet come close to dealing with the real core issue — the definition and split of Basketball Related Income (BRI). The owners want a larger slice of that pie (the players got 57 percent in the old deal). The players are dead set against a cut in BRI and taking on a hard cap.

There is a group of owners — one that clearly has some influence — that wanted players to miss paychecks, thinking that would weaken the union’s resolve. That group wants to make the players feel some pain. The really bad news about that — the first paycheck would be Nov. 15.

The owners meet Thursday in Dallas and Stern said training camps and preseason games will not be cancelled at that meeting. But it only seems to be a matter of time.

Report: ‘Several prominent’ Cavaliers express concern about aging, defenseless, redundant roster

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The Cavaliers look like they can’t hang with the Warriors, which is troubling enough for a team with championship aspirations.

But for that realization to come during a miserable 2-8 stretch only puts more stress on the Cavs, who already appeared to be ripping at the seems. LeBron James is performativity howling at his teammates. They’re pointing the finger back at him. Coach Tyronn Lue is talking about personal agendas.

And tensions aren’t easing.

Dave McMenamin of ESPN:

Following the Cleveland Cavaliers’ 118-108 loss to the Golden State Warriors on Monday, multiple players acknowledged growing discontent and a strong sense of concern that unlike past seasons, the team does not have the capability to fix its problems and get back on a championship track.

Several prominent players, speaking on condition of anonymity to ESPN, Cleveland.com and The Athletic, expressed doubt that the problems — an aging roster, defensively challenged personnel and a glut of redundant role players — could simply be worked out through patience and a chance to coalesce when fully healthy.

The Cavaliers have one preeminent player: LeBron. It’d be disingenuous to frame this article this way without including him, and I doubt McMenamin is doing that.

These concerns are perfectly valid.

Cleveland is the NBA’s oldest team, weighted by playing time, in a decade. That doesn’t bode well for building up steam toward and in a long playoff run. This is an even more extreme version of the problem LeBron’s last Heat team succumbed to.

Isaiah Thomas is a defensive liability, and Kevin Love – playing a lot of center – isn’t a rim protector. Several other players – LeBron, J.R. Smith, Kyle Korver, Dwyane Wade, Kyle Korver, Jose Calderon, Channing Frye and Derrick Rose – are well past their defensive peaks, which weren’t necessarily high in the first place. The Cavs’ defense ranks 29, ahead of only the Kings.

Wade, Calderon and Rose can’t all serve as lead playmaker while LeBron sits – leaving the other two without clear roles when everyone is healthy. Smith and Korver would both be spot-up 3-point specialists if Smith were hitting shots. Jae Crowder and Jeff Green look similar (a compliment to Green, but a telltale sign of how underwhelming Crowder has been). Frye is a lesser version of Love as a stretch five. Tristan Thompson can’t get going, and Iman Shumpert can’t get healthy.

To be fair, the Cavaliers are 26-17 – hardly bad, but not quite championship-caliber. This portrait of doom and gloom is accurate only when measured against the highest of expectations.

The Cavs can still trade the Nets’ first-round pick to upgrade the roster, though they’re reportedly disinclined to do so. This report sounds like a plea from top players for the team to reconsider. And if owner Dan Gilbert and general manager Koby Altman don’t, it’ll read as LeBron framing his exit in free agency next summer.

Danny Green tugs down Dennis Schroder’s shorts (video)

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We collectively made a federal case out of J.R. Smith untying shoelaces.

We probably ought to at least question what the heck Danny Green was doing to Dennis Schroder here.

At least Schroder got the last laugh with 26 points, seven assists and five rebounds in the Hawks’ win over the Spurs.

Chris Paul says Clippers should play through Lou Williams, which sounds like a slight of Blake Griffin

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After the Clippers’ win over the Rockets last night, Chris Paul didn’t go after Blake Griffin just through a back entrance into the Clippers’ locker room.

He also seemingly went after Griffin in his post-game interview.

Asked to assess playing against his former team, Paul:

They’ve got Lou Will. Lou Will is the guy. You know what I mean? That’s the go-to guy, the guy that they should play through and stuff like that. He having a great year, and he tough. He tough, man.

Williams is having a great year, especially by the standards of career as a solid sub-star. But Griffin is a bona fide star – a tremendously skilled scorer, ball-handler and passer for a power forward. He’s clearly the Clippers’ go-to player when healthy. It’s great Williams stepped up when Griffin was injured, and Williams can run second units while Griffin is healthy. But Griffin is the go-to player.

I can’t read Paul’s intent. Maybe he genuinely disagrees and believes the Clippers should play through Williams. But – given Paul’s nd Griffin’s history and how heated last night’s game was – it sounds as if Paul is just trying to create friction within his former team and take a dig at Griffin. That’d be petty, but… yeah. Nobody would put that past Paul.

NBA Twitter had fun with Rockets, Clippers, secret tunnels

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This Clippers/Rockets story is so perfectly today’s NBA.

It’s not about the game itself (game-related stories draw far fewer eyeballs/traffic than off the court stuff). It involves drama and confrontation between star players with grudges and a guy who forced a trade. And while the players postured, there was never going to be an actual fight and everybody knew it, still the LAPD was called in.

It’s all perfect fodder for Twitter.

Just a quick recap of events. The Clippers win Monday over the Rockets at Staples Center got chippy — Blake Griffin got into it with Mike D’Antoni after running into him, Griffin and Trevor Ariza were ejected after some words where Austin Rivers was involved. After the game, Paul led a group of Warriors — James Harden, Ariza, Gerald Green — down a secret tunnel behind the locker rooms, went to the back door of the Clippers’ locker room and started to confront the Clippers. Except, nothing really happened but a verbal exchange, security broke it up and the LAPD was called in. That last part just about made Shaq fall out of his chair on Inside the NBA.

All this while Clint Capela knocked on the front door of the Clippers locker room and had it shut in his face.

This story was perfect for NBA Twitter, and it had a field day. Including the big names.

Everyone got in on the act.