Don’t expect much out of NBA owners, players meeting


David Stern tried after last week’s bargaining session to set Tuesday up as the big key day — it is after this session we’ll know if there will be a lockout.

But even that was Stern posturing, using some gamesmanship to put the pressure on the players. Which says everything about where we are in the negotiations. Don’t expect a major breakthrough Tuesday when owners and players meet in New York. Expect pessimism.

Stern put the pressure on the players after last week by saying that the owners made a give back — they backed off their demand for non-guaranteed contracts — and that now it is the players’ turn. He said whatever concession the players made would determine if they were on track to avoid a lockout.

But that was not a real concession by the owners last week at all — they players already have guaranteed contracts. The owners made a new demand for non-guaranteed contracts than took it off the table — things have not changed. The players refuse to see no change as a concession.

Reports have both sides close to $500 million apart right now. And there is a split in the owners, some want to drive a hard bargain, as David Aldridge explained well at

This new generation of NBA owners, many of whom are leveraged up to their ears and who have tens of millions of annual debt service to pay before they pay a single coach or player their gargantuan salaries, has among its ranks those who are fully ready to sacrifice all of next season if it means a sea change in the league’s financial system. The new generation didn’t pay $1 million for his franchise (like the late Abe Pollin, who bought the Baltimore Bullets in 1964), or $6 million (the late Bill Davidson, who bought the Pistons in 1974). Having been in the game for decades, the old guard was more likely to be willing to cut a deal….

“The old guys, they’d made a lot of money already,” said a longtime and former senior executive of an NBA team who’s been involved in previous collective bargaining sessions with the players. (Like just about everyone quoted in this piece, he obviously cannot be named.). Now you have guys saying ‘I’m losing money, and I have to find a way to make this team that I bought for $350 million worth $500 million.’ “

The players are not going to totally cave. There needs to be a middle ground.

Here is the one thing to really watch in post-meeting comments from both sides — do they talk about movement on Basketball Related Income (BRI). That is the big number, and currently 57 percent goes to the players. BRI is the money from ticket sales, national television contracts, local television contracts, parking, concessions, a piece of luxury boxes, and so on. Basically everything.

That is the number that matters. Everything else — like a hard cap or soft cap — serves the BRI. Until the two sides decide how the pie is split, not much else matters. That and the hard cap are the keys.

Personally, I’d like them to use Aldridge’s suggestions as a jumping off point to speed up discussions (a 50/50 BRI split, a soft cap but with far few exceptions, more revenue sharing between owners, ad more). Not going to happen, but it would at least move things along.

Instead, we are headed for a lockout and the only question is how long it will last.

Report: With his knee not progressing as hoped, Kyrie Irving to get second opinion

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Kyrie Irving has missed the last three Celtics games — two of them losses — due to a sore knee. This is the same knee where he fractured a kneecap in the 2015 NBA Finals, and GM Danny Ainge admitted that in the next few years Irving may need a maintenance surgery to keep the issues down.

Now comes a report that just time off has not yet had the desired effect on Irving’s knee, so he will seek a second opinion, Shams Charania of The Vertical at Yahoo Sports broke the story and Brad Stevens of the Celtics confirmed it (with some more details by Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports).

There is no timetable for Irving’s return, but he will not be on the Celtics’ four-game road swing through the West that starts Friday.

Getting a second opinion is the smart move. NBA team doctors are very good at their jobs, but as with any serious medical issue, a second opinion is a good idea (plus, team doctors are paid by the team, which can create a conflict of interest). Most likely the second doctor says “rest is all you need,” but better to be safe than sorry.

Boston is going to be ultra conservative in bringing Irving back. The simple fact is that in the wake of injuries to Daniel Theis and Marcus Smart (who maybe could return in the second round of the playoffs), it’s unlikely the Celtics get out of the Eastern Conference this season. They lack a high-level secondary playmaker on offense after Irving (Boston’s offense is eight points per 100 possessions worse when Irving is not on the court this season) and with the injuries their defense can’t carry them far enough. Boston has always played the long game with this rebuild, and they will do it with Irving as well.

Jordan Clarkson says he believes dinosaurs were pets of bigger people

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Kyrie Irving debuted his flat-earth beliefs on Channing Frye‘s and Richard Jefferson‘s podcast.

Now, another Cavaliers guard is following in those footsteps with another zany theory.

Jordan Clarkson on Road Trippin’:

I don’t believe in dinosaurs, either. Well no, I actually do. I believe that – this is gonna get a little crazy, alright? I’m gonna take y’all a little left on this. OK, so y’all know how we got dogs and stuff, right?

So, I think it was bigger people in the world before us, and, like, the dinosaurs was their pets.

How big were these people? Clarkson:

Oh, you look at a dinosaur. They got to be three times bigger than them.

I too have seen The Flintstones:

Stephen Curry cleared for return by Warriors doctors, Friday vs. Hawks likely date

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For the second half of their last game, a loss in San Antonio, the Warriors were without all four All-Stars — Kevin Durant (ribs), Stephen Curry (ankle), Klay Thompson (thumb), and Draymond Green (hip contusion).

Starting Friday against the Hawks at Oracle Arena, at least one of those guys should be back — Curry.

This was expected. If this had been the playoffs, Curry would have returned last weekend,  but considering his multiple ankle sprains this season and his importance to the team, the Warriors decided to be extremely cautious. They will do the same with Durant, Green, and Thompson, with the goal of having them all healthy at the start of the postseason.

Curry is averaging 26.3 points and 6.2 assists per game, shooting 42.4 percent from three this season. The Warriors offense is 14 points per 100 possessions better this season when Curry is on the court.


Kevin Love on back slide: ‘I don’t know what the hell that was’ (video)

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In the Cavaliers’ win over the Bucks last night and his first game back from injury, Kevin Love fell while shooting then very oddly slid up court on his back.

Rob Perez:

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“I don’t know what the hell that was,” Love told a private group of reporters while being shown the video at his locker. “I was just having fun.”

When I saw that, I was having fun, too.