NBA Playoffs: Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, and the one for the thumb

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At Spurs blog Pounding the Rock, a discussion for today’s Game 4 centers around a plea from a fan to not allow the Spurs’ dynasty to die. But a line caught my eye.

“I don’t want it to be over. I so desperately want to see Tim (Duncan) get his
fifth ring (before Shaq, before Kobe, oh please, before them). Man
I want that so much.”

It kind of speaks to what’s on the line for those three players. While the final count will undoubtedly be the biggest factor, you have to wonder how many more chances these three legends will have.

The Spurs are looking at three years without a Finals appearance, and Duncan’s not getting any younger, let alone Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. Duncan has put together the most consistent performance of the three, consistently leading his team to the late playoffs. But partly because he played in San Antonio and nowhere sexy like Miami or LA, he’s still not considered by mainsteam media in the same range. But getting the fifth ring before he retires would be a considerable step, and especially to do so before the other two. Doing so without the extravagant payrolls in LA or having another superstar like Wade or LeBron would set him apart.

For Shaq, this has to be his last real hurrah, unless the Cavs re-sign him out of gratitude in the event of a championship. He always held the trump-card in the Kobe-Shaq debate with the fourth ring, but of course, Kobe’s negated that. He’s not competing with Duncan, simply on star-power. His legacy is largely decided, the fifth would only cement him and ensure he’s not surpassed in retrospective. He’s no longer a real force in the game, but getting the thumb ring first gives him bragging rights, and let’s face it. That means a lot to him.

Bryant? Bryant has more chances. You can realistically count on the Lakers being in contention for at least two more seasons. But this season has brought with it the very real fact that Mamba is mortal. He’s turned it back on versus the Jazz (because, well, they’re the Jazz), but his struggles physically have been very evident. Getting five this year means that if they Lakers wee to slip or the Thunder or Cavs to continue rising that his legacy is assured.

Again, we’re talking degrees. Three Hall of Famers, three champions, three legends. But that race to the fifth does mean something. It sure looks at this point like Duncan will not be the first. Shaq and Kobe are still in the race, and if the Finals come down to those two, you can expect to hear about it a million times.

Turns out five may be the magic number.

Enjoy 50-best circus shots of last NBA season

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As of tomorrow, training camps around the league open, and all the focus goes to the 2016-17 season.

For fun, let’s look back one more time at last season — the 50 top circus shots of last season.

Stephen Curry driving the lane and throwing up prayers once he draws contact (and hitting them), there is Russell Westbrook throwing the inbounds pass off an opponent’s back, and so much more. Enjoy. Then let’s get on with next season.

To avoid trash talk, Steven Adams told Kevin Garnett he didn’t speak English

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Kevin Garnett intimidates people. In the machismo-fueled world of professional sports nobody comfortably admits they were intimidated, but in the wake of Garnett announcing his retirement, a number of players stepped forward to say exactly that. And that KG trashed talked them fearlessly.

Oklahoma City’s Steven Adams found a way to avoid that — tell KG he didn’t speak English.

Brilliant.

Adams was lucky, KG had a reputation for going harder at foreign-born players with his trash talk and intimidation. Then again Adams is not the kind of guy prone to be intimidated.

Pistons’ Stan Van Gundy “encouraged” by players speaking out, protesting social issues

CLEVELAND, OH - APRIL 17: Head coach Stan Van Gundy of the Detroit Pistons yells to his players during the first half of the NBA Eastern Conference quarterfinals against the Cleveland Cavaliers at Quicken Loans Arena on April 17, 2016 in Cleveland, Ohio. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and or using this photograph, User is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images)  *** Local Caption ***Stan Van Gundy
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Athletes are injecting themselves into the needed national conversation about race, violence, and policing in this nation. That has taken some very public forms, including LeBron James, Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony speaking at the ESPYs, and Colin Kaepernick taking a knee during the national anthem and leading others to do so. Some NBA players likely will follow Kaepernick’s lead.

Pistons coach/GM Stan Van Gundy likes seeing players speak out.

A couple of his Detroit players — Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris — said they backed the 49ers quarterback. Here is what the never shy Van Gundy said about all of it, via Vincent Ellis of the Detroit Free Press.

“I’m encouraged by the fact of what some of those guys stood up and did at the ESPYs and had a conversation,” Van Gundy said. “I’m really proud of the fact that we have guys that not only see the problem, but want to try to do something about it…

“To me, in some ways, (police brutality is) just the most visible to focus on and it goes to deeper inequities in our criminal justice system, our education system so there’s so much to focus on,” Van Gundy said. “I think it’s great that we have players that want to be part of that conversation, and a lot of players that want to go beyond the conversation and be part of the solution.”

Van Gundy has been telling his players part of that solution is to vote.

The players union and NBA sent out a release saying they wanted to work together to create positive change, but details are still vague on what that might be. The only thing we know for sure as we head into the NBA season — with as divided a nation and election as anyone can remember as a backdrop — is that some NBA players are going to try and keep the conversation going.

Sunday is 16th anniversary of greatest dunk ever: Vince Carter over Frederic Weis

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It was the last game of the group stage of the 2000 Olympic basketball tournament at the Sydney Olympics, the USA was taking on France, another USA win on its way to another gold medal.

But what we all remember is this one play — Vince Carter dunking over the 7’2″ French center Frederic Weis.

Best. Dunk. Ever.

By anyone.

Weis was never the same.

In an impressive career — two-time All-NBA, eight-time All-Star, hours and hours of crazy highlights — this is always going to be the highlight at the top of the list. So we will use the anniversary of this dunk to look at it one more time.

Hat tip to nitramy at NBA Reddit.